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date:         Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:17:39 EST
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In a message dated 2/24/99 3:16:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, bignest@GVTC.COM
writes:

>
>  Shirley and the Greys, Texas
>  Bignest Aviary - www.bignest.com
>  J/S Beefmaster Ranch - www.bignest.com/ranch.htm
>  ICQ# 280735


Hi Shirley,

Just had a great afternoon with that rancher I told you about some time ago.
I was wrong...about the milkings they do ... it is only 2,500 milkings aday.
Margaret said you'd know what that meant.  As twice a day?

Anyway, .

Cherane


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Date:         Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:13:48 EST
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In a message dated 2/24/99 11:07:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
stR.COM writes:

>
>  Congratulations!!  How exciting.
>


Thank you Nancy,

I almost am in a dream world of my own as my mother is only four years old
this past May...with her first baby last August of which I'm still feeding
twice a day.  Here is the web site for this pair along with the 'older baby'
Phoenix.

http://members.tripod.com/~cherane/hyacinthbaby.html

I'll be making the album of this six month old baby as I also have one for the
mother, Velvet.  I'm in the process putting pictures up on a site regarding
all the animal pictures I took in South Africa the six weeks visit I had this
past holiday season, thus very busy to say the least.

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Date:         Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:19:32 EST
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In a message dated 2/24/99 10:12:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, OL.COM
writes:

>  we ate and played together for at least
>  1/2 hour until he got too antsy and i put him back.  of course this morning
> he
>  is a loner again, but after giving him a rest i am going back to play.
>  doris
>


Hi Doris,

I have found soft music very good to help a bird recover from stress after a
move, puling babies or a new environment for his/her benefit.  The oldies but
goodies get tuned in for all my large Macaws...:)

Give a scratch from me..Cherane


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Date:         Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:46:31 EST
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I'm thrilled to announce the hatching of the offspring of Velvets and Dolci
Blue, a hyacinthine Macaw.  The great happening occurred at 6:04 AM.  The
owners have named the baby 'Angel."

This seems to be a popular name!  Can you tell I'm happy?



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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:42:20 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:18:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lenz@T writes:
>
>  As I said, one word from me and the next thing it would be Law Suit Time!
>  Oh, how I longed to hear those words! You can stop threatening any time
>  now. I've been speaking my peace for over 10 years and you're just as


cherane writes:
again, stop flattering yourself!  your blabber/manners/lies/cursing speaks for
you.

Cherane


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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:34:46 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:18:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lenz@NET writes:

>
>  The last time you tried, despite all your "stock in the company" and your
>  "knowing the board of directors", I STILL got you thrown off Genie.

 I have>  enough dirt on you AND your vets to see that 1)they never, EVER speak to >  you again and 2)MOST of them will never practice medicine again if I pursue
>  charges.


I think your  having problems Sweetheart..I have the same qualified avian vets
for the last ten years.......YOU didn't remove me from Genie.


Cherane

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:23:57 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
corbett@ writes:

>
>  I feel like vomiting.
>
>  Chris
>


Chris, although I know you mean well....these hybrids are Macaws.  Does this
mean you don't have hybrid owners here on the list?  You do not like a hybrid
Macaw?
They are precious.....ask Len?

Cherane


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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:09:31 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 10:20:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
toocute@TELEVAR.COM writes:

>
>  Ewwwwwwwwwwwweeeeee! now that was clear as mud Cherane...


Yep, now that is behind us....

...How about we talk about my Hyacinthine that hatched out yesterday...it was
34 grams this morning...cute as the first one.  I have it snuggled up against
a key ring stuffed animal...a pink pig.  Did I tell all the name is 'Angel?"
My other baby hyacinthine just looks at his little creature with studying
eyes.

Here go look at my other hyacinthines....do you think that 'll make up for my
one pile of *mud* :)
<A HREF="http://www.plannedparrothood.com/seniors.html">Senior Psittacines</A>

Cherane


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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:48:51 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:29:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,leNET writes:

>
>  Yet another "Experienced Breeder" promoting hybrids. Such a STRONG VOICE
>  for Aviculture. <NOT>
>
>  Len
>


Hey Sweetheart, Darling....Honey your the one who taught me about hybrids.
Did you already forget?  How to put the two together...and come out with what
you came out with...I speak very well for aviculture...over 100 macaws to my
credit along with the Queens...and now the Hyacinthines...stayed away from
what you taught me till now.  Oh yes...almost forgot very good with the Red
Fronted Macaws too...

Remember how I could just flick my wrist and a cockatoo would come popping out
from eggs all over the place...well, I have the same thing going with Macaws!

How about that Sweetie...:)

Cherane

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:50:45 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:30:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
len writes:

>
>  Oh, JUST what we need, a HYBRID expert. You really are the lowest form of
>  scum in the avian world, aren't you, Sissy-boy?
>
>  Len
>


Will someone tell me how does he get away with this insulting breeders in
other countries?  or anyone as far as that goes.

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:56:45 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:59:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
l.NET writes:

>
>  Fuck diplomacy. I've already given him more concrete advice than all the
>  rest of the wasted bandwidth combined. The result: "oh, it doesn't *TASTE *
>  good so I'm not going to take my medicine". So be it. You want to PAY for
>  my advice, fine, I'll give it to you on your terms. If I'm handing it out
>  for free, you'll take it the way you get it. If you don't like it, don't
>  read it. The only person you'll be hurting is yourself. I KNOW where this
>  is going. You do not. And neither does Stan.
>
>  Len
>
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


What happened to being considerate and kind to others Len?  Why do you think
your the 'all' ?  There are plenty of brilliant people on this list to assist
others.

Cherane

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:35:49 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:17:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leNK.NET writes:

> >
>  >Len
>
>
>  I stand corrected. It didn't even take a day.
>
>  Pathetic.
>
>  Len
>

Len, Don't flatter your self!     " Your not worth the price of an attorney
over your blabbing/cursing/manners. "

I don't understand how you get away with calling people names on this list!
I'd like to know how you get away with the way you talk to people here.

If a retarded person came on this list to share and get help you'd eat them up
alive...

That IS pathetic!

Cherane


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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:44:53 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 8:28:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JOL.COM writes:

>
>  << Yes, to put with my Scarlet....
>    >>
>
>  My question remains "Why?"
>
>  judith
>


Lets see...my female has top priority...I want another male for her.  Of
course, if you have a subspecies mature male just like my female...I'll take
him!

As I've looked for a male just like my pair for over five years for another
female Scarlet and haven't found one with clean bill of health.  While
everyone tells me how plentiful they are, I sure haven't' found one...however,
if you can please bring him on out and I'll snatch him in a heart beat.

I want a bird for my female now......so I have chosen a Camelot for her ... if
I have babies...I'll not worry for none of my babies have been sitting in
trees thus far and I doubt if ever I'll send them to the rainforest....a pet
is a pet is a pet!

 I have made up my mind to get a male for this little girl, and if I'm going
to be crucified better for something I like to have around for a while.
.....and when Blaze comes back to us, Scarlet and me...... ...I'll take the
Camelot for my personal pet.  I doubt very much if the Camelot and my Scarlet
will breed with her so depressed and he'll keep her good company.

Of course, unless there is a nice big mature male Scarlet of my Scarlets
subspecies or origin//color markings or what ever...

Cherane

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:13:11 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 8:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sta.COM writes:

> and will ask her if Aspergillosis in the lungs and air sacs is
>  a possibility (along with several other suggestions I've received).
>


At any rate, it is good to rule out this disease.  Also, you might check to
see if the past owners used corn cob for bedding or ask them what they used.
Sometimes, this disease can take up to a year to 'show symptoms."

Please keep us informed of the situation at hand.

Cherane

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:56:41 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 7:24:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lenz@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

>
>  No, you'll just find that when it comes to Cherane, the "truth" is highly
>  variable...to say the least. Oh, btw, she's "sued" me dozens of times, too.
>  Give her a day and she'll threaten me with her lawyer again for having the
>  audacity to post the truth.
>
>  Len

Len, you haven't a thing I want or anything to go after...I already had you
checked out five years ago....when you came after me on Genie.  Your not worth
the price of an attorney over your blabbing/cursing/manners.

Cherane

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:57:40 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 7:33:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JOM writes:

>
>  A camelot?????
>
>  Judith


Yes, to put with my Scarlet....

Cherane

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:30:53 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 7:02:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, DRTCHNJ@AOL.COM
writes:

> and i do
>  apologize if the bird who disappeared did not fly away while under your
care.
>
>  doris
>


Hi Doris,

No, it had never been mentioned on recpetsbirds of my bird ever flying away.
He could not fly with a disabled wing he has...that threw the monkey in the
fire for the people who have my Macaw.
However, it seems that if he is found...maybe a lot of birds that are stolen
will be found...and that is a fact!
I could go into a great deal more but for the safety of my bird I will not!
Just make me boil how anyone can do this to a pair of birds, anybird.
Your apologies are accepted Doris.

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:15:56 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 2:25:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
maCOM writes:

>
>  Cherane,
>
>  How is the mate of the missing scarlet doing?
>
>  Marianne
>


This is my first week of knowing she is going to make it!  She is so
depressed, however, she has pin feathers coming out now with color in her
feathers with some breast meat on her.  This is my first week I do not have to
force feed her or give her ringers injections.  She is talking to me but still
so depressed.  She does go to her nest box each nite.  I have tried seven of
her offspring each one in with her however, that didn't work for she scared
the youngsters.

I'm now looking for a Camelot Male for her till I get Blaze back.
They were together for 12 years...and have been with me since 92
Thanks for asking about Scarlet...
Cherane
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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:04:01 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 2:22:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lenz@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

>
>  Oh, you mean the one you LET FLY AWAY. Shit, can't you even take
>  responsibility for your own gross mistakes?
>
>  >$2,000 to the person who give me back my Scarlet Macaw safely!  If you
> would
>  >xpost to all rescue list I would appreciate this...
>
>  You don't disserve to have birds, hence I'd think anyone foolish enough to
>  return one to you MUST be an animal hater.
>
>  Len
>
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


That enough Len!  You haven't the slightest clue to what your talking
about....not one clue!  This Macaw was stolen!  As far as flying...it cannot
fly!

If you make any more comments about my stolen Scarlet Macaw,  I will hand this
over to the detective here and they'll have the detectives in California come
and hear all you have to say....you can tell them just how much you know about
my Macaw.  I suggest you keep your mouth shut about me and my birds.  Unless,
of course you want a visit.


One more thing for the readers of this list....I wasn't in this country when
my Scarlet was stolen ...I was in South Africa!  I know where he is....and the
detectives know where he is........

Cherane

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:57:20 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 1:20:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pa.COM writes:

>
>  Oops!
>
>  As an addendum to that lengthy rant, I wanted to ask y'all if anyone has
>  pictures that they would be willing to share to possibly be used in the
>  AFA presentation.  I have some, but would

http://members.tripod.com/~cherane/hyacinthbaby.html

Or...how about my MIkee...who the ambassador great Britain brought him into
the country when he was six months old...Mikeee lived on fifth avenue till
1985 when he went to the Smithsonian DC....then on to Disney World in Orlando
Florida till I got him in 1993 of January.  He is a Hyacinthine Macaw and can
be viewed at

 <A HREF="http://www.plannedparrothood.com/seniors.html">Senior Psittacines
</A>  I do have lovely pictures of this Jewel who is now 34 years old last
October...documented with cut closed rings and all Smithsonian paperwork ...
and Disney world.


Lets see....I do have some P. robustus robustus around here somewhere!  Also
those adorable hyacinthine with you giving me your email I'll send some your
way...I would love that Phoenix would be in  as he is my baby's baby..F2  ....
Many do not know what F 2 is.....

Also, I have some great shots of my scarlet mamma feeding her two babies in
the nest as I'm feeding  her bananas...through the nest box door.......

I have a redfronts in a pin feather stage....one on his back with
others...hatching.

I have queens....or rose breast in the cockatiel stage..

My prize would be my photos of my trip to south africa....as these birds are
the same birds that rosemary low visited and took pictures of the very same
birds. I also have weaver birds  building their nest in the trees..
get an idea of what I'm buidling
now....http://members.tripod.com/~cherane/outofafrica.html

you'll see all the mask weavers nest as I go down the Klip River.....yada
yaday yada...reason I asked if pictures were allowed for I have lions setting
in the trees.....

Interested I would love to contribute....someone once told me to do an article
for AFA and I think I might just do that!  How ever it would be about a 'fly'
that goes after nesting...another problem with saving our Capes.

Cherane



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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:00:24 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 12:48:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Ladymacaw007@EMAIL.MSN.COM writes:

>
>  >Blessings,
>  >Rummy (aka Running-Horse)
>  >Animal Rescue Team
>  >Homeopathic Animal Practitioner
>  >personal email:  


Hi, if anyone calls you with a Scarlet Macaw....remember I have a couple of
rewards out for my safe return of my Scarlet Macaw..
He is Microchip with Dr. Backos holding the numbers...
 for the safe return and arrest with conviction of the culprit who
abscond my Scarlet..

 to the informant who is the way to the safe return of my Scarlet Macaw.

 to the person who give me back my Scarlet Macaw safely!  If you would
xpost to all rescue list I would appreciate this...

Thank you, I have pictures of my Scarlet Macaw if anyone would like to see
Blaze ... email me..

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:13:50 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 10:06:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, L.COM
writes:

>  BYW, I hate the vaccum. I prefer to have the birds out
>  of the area while it is in use if I can.
>
>  Sue
>


Hi Sue,
 you and me both!  I hate carpets, they are rags for the shoes as far as I'm
concerned.  I will not use any vacuum cleaner or hair blower around birds.  I
don't like what filters in and out through the vacuum and comes out through
all the bacteria and molds sitting in those bags...with the hair blower the
same thing, suck in the contaminates and blow them out onto the birds.

I pulled up all my carpet so I could breather a blessing in disguise...
:)

Cherane

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:37:16 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:25:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sta.COM writes:

>
>  I just had hoped that someone on this list could possibly suggest something
>  I hadn't thought of (possibly from experience?).  Sorry I bothered
everyone.
>
>  Stan.
>


There is a disease caused by an infection by a mold, Aspergillosis in the
lungs and air sacs..  marked by granulomas ....abscesses

As are you using corn cob, walnut bedding in the tray of the cage?

Cherane

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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:57:27 EST
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From:         Cherane Pefley <Cherane@AOL.COM>
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In a message dated 2/25/99 12:36:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, ByAOL.COM
writes:

> ontractor) and SBS just is another day to feed birds. Ok - jest wonderin
>  where you were goin ???  Don
>  Ps - I got a G/w egg today :)


Congrats....am I green with envy?? nope!  :)  love your happy days Don!  Soon
your gonna catch up with me...I'm slow now without my male Scarlet for
mylady....:(

Give those babies a scatch from me...

Cherane


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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:59:51 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 1:01:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JL.COM writes:

> Make a point of leting him know that etco's
>  practices re the larger parrots is turning away primo customers, ie, the
> ones
>  that spend big bucks on food toys etc.
>
>  Judith


Hello,

They'll get rid of the Macaw if to much of a hassle is given.  Someone buy the
Macaw first please...


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Date:         Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:47:29 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 12:05:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JaeL.COM writes:

> I finally have a couple of pictures of Pasha that I would love to
>  share - anyone wants to see them - let me know.  Meanwhile, I'll be sifting
>  through this volume of
>  mail!!!!!!
>  Thanks, Jan
>


Hi Jan,

Love the name and would love to see your pictures!  Are able to attach
pictures here on the list?

Cherane


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Date:         Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:48:34 EST
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In a message dated 3/3/99 12:19:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, @AOL.COM
writes:

>
>  Hi Cherane
>
>  Jazzy is 1 yr old.  We are working on biting.  She will step up out of her
>  cage and off of her play gym.  She likes scritches and being talked to
alot.
>  She also loves my other two, my catalina Maya and my umbrella Koby.  She
> just
>  likes to bite really hard when I try to hold her on my lap.


Hello Pat,


Hi Pat,

Sometimes I've found that the younger ones, when frightened, have only one
way of showing us,.by biting.  I have a Scarlet baby of around the same
age.  When I took her sibling away (an older sister), she became afraid of
nearly everything, including the shadows around her.  I found that instead
of dealing with her biting, for which I had a piece of wood that she held
onto when she was in my lap, I should actually be dealing with her sense of
insecurity.
This is now history with her, as I found a way to help her get over it....How?
By devising a program of games, rolling around on the floor with
her, door games, jumping rope and especially allowing her to fly around in
the house, under supervision and on command.  I made this part of my regimen
in helping her regain her confidence, as an individual, without her having
to rely on her older sister as a constant companion. I now always look for
the following five things around one of my kids when having to deal with
biting or screaming, these are, ...mad, sad, glad or solitude and or scared.
It usually has to be at least one, sometimes more than one.

The wood is used to allow them something to channel their urge to bite, and
I give them permission to do so, when I feel it necessary, they are allowed
to bite, but only on the wooden block.  I use 2x4's cut  into blocks of
UNTREATED pine.

I'm looking forward to seeing your pictures of your playful kids.  I would
love to tell you about the games I have worked out, to play with and to
socialize my Macaws into healthy, happy and fun adults. If you are interested,
please let me know.

Cherane


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Date:         Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:29:19 EST
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In a message dated 3/4/99 1:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JNET writes:

>
>  Check this site out
>
>
>  http://www.ieighty.net/~jhigbee/save_aviculture.html
>
>


Thank you for posting this...

Cherane


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Hyacinthines, Scarlets, Hahns,Blue and Gold,
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Date:         Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:21:39 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:30:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
l writes:

> At 07:56 PM 2/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>  Let's get the TRUTH out just ONCE shall we? You came after ME when I
>  refused to let you act like a DVM and proscribe your own drugs <which you
>  use LIBERALLY on all you sick flock>. Then YOU came after ME and the result
>  was YOU got your ass kicked off Genie. Let's see you refute THAT one.
>
>  Len
>

I still have every single piece of writing on that list.  On the contrary,
you're the one that wants to sound like a DVM or a mad surgeon as put by
Carol........I hire my DVM's.........I stayed on Genie till last year...I
didn't stay on YOUR pet board  for I couldn't use the CAS DESIGNATION ......
. As far as my prescribing drugs...ridiculous!  So, now five or almost six
years later your still burning even though your power or management position
made me not able to use my CAS and I would not stop using it.  That is not DVM
... it is CAS!  This is laughable...for I stayed on Genie till last year!

Btw, I'm still a certified avian specialist...but now I think with so many
babies under my belt...a hatch here and there...that speaks more of my
capabilities...

Meanness and cruelty you have shown to me in the past with the position you
held.  I certainly would hope this is not going to be the case here.  As far
as the dirt.....I wonder what that could be...gee, I haven't even had a
parking ticket don't smoke...drink or been to jail, not killed anyone, rob
anyone nor have I double parked.

Lets see...I was on BIN till it closed..hmmm.. I'm still on rec.pets.birds
If I choose to go and come to different list that is my business...I don't
need to account to you with regard to that at all ... with all your name
calling, your throwing fits about what ever I do...it is not going to change
me nor make me a what ever you configure I'm going to be...


Cherane


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Date:         Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:32:58 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:31:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leT writes:

>  would not manifest the transient, severe symptoms you
>  described. The only reason Cherane brings it up is because its a constant
>  problem with her birds. She hasn't learned how to keep them healthy yet so
>  she assumes everyone else is as incompetent as she is. You're looking for
>  an air borne allergen or toxin.
>
>  Len

This man knows nothing about my birds!  I dont have to learn how to keep my
birds healthy, they are healthy!  I have gorgeous birds.
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Date:         Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:40:18 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 9:39:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, kET
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> How can you be so sure that they will get along?
>
>  Kathy
>


I'm not sure for her own off spring she has rejected.  I'm hoping that he
doesn't look like her mate......just a slim hope.  I'll put her in the
quarantine with him but in different cages.  I'm hoping with different
coloring, temperament that he'll stimulate her with wanting to live at least.

 At any rate, I'll have a Camelot..if I can find a Scarlet at least mature for
her then I'll go that way, but I've been told that she'll refuse the Scarlet.

Cherane

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Date:         Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:50:55 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/99 10:01:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, kET
writes:

>
>  So why put a Camelot with a Scarlet?  To match the living room curtains?
>
>  Kathy


No, I have my hyacinthines for that decor...(sigh)

I'm a breeder, I have a aviary of which this scarlet in in...not in my living
room

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In a message dated 2/25/99 10:32:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
L.COM writes:

>
>  so, if these birds lay eggs. are ya going to toss out fertile eggs like you
>  did in the past?
>


Do you really believe I threw out fertile Scarlet Macaw eggs?  You never heard
or read those words from me/

Cherane

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Cherane dear ...
Shall we call Dr Susan Clubb in on this one??? Wonder what she would
have to say in your defence...NOW THIS WOULD BE MORE THAN FUN!!!  OH
DR. SUSAN!!!!!!!!
I would advise you to unsub before this getz outa hand... your Choice!
AND don't say we didn't warn YE !!!! <snort>
You just subed to sell you rstock... some of us DO and have read the
boards and classifides..for many years....



Cherane Pefley wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/25/99 9:30:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> lenNET writes:
>
> >
> >  Oh, JUST what we need, a HYBRID expert. You really are the lowest form of
> >  scum in the avian world, aren't you, Sissy-boy?
> >
> >  Len
> >
>
> Will someone tell me how does he get away with this insulting breeders in
> other countries?  or anyone as far as that goes.
>
> Cherane

--

WAR
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Date:         Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:41:02 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/99 1:31:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
toocute@TELEVAR.COM writes:

> Cherane dear ...
>  Shall we call Dr Susan Clubb in on this one??? Wonder what she would
>  have to say in your defence...NOW THIS WOULD BE MORE THAN FUN!!!  OH
>  DR. SUSAN!!!!!!!!


I think Dr.Susan Clubb has better things to do then get on this Macaw list and
go at you.

I see your without a  name or ID!

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In a message dated 2/26/99 2:03:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, L.COM
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>
>  don't particularly like the notion of trying to mate the scarlet with her
>  offspring (apparently the mama scarlet didn't like it either).  and i can't
>  imagine starting a hyacinthINE down the road to egg production at age four
> or
>  earlier.
>  doris
>


Doris, I have never tried to mate my baby scarlet with his momma ... my
scarlet is very depressed and just this week started to get up the speed of
life on her own...I tried to get my Scarlet motivated with company from her
own off spring..all of them.

I am a breeder of the hyacinthines....I'm very sorry you are not celebrating
this joy with me.

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In a message dated 2/26/99 2:36:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JAAOL.COM writes:

>
>  For anyone who DOESN'T know, this is a little educational program designed
> for
>  pet shop employees to teach them some fundamentals about bird care.  That's
>  fine with me, the more knowledge out there the better, but for someone to
>  insist on declaring themselves this is incredibly revealing.
>
>  Judith


  I also took the first seminar of which Dr.Clubb presented or taught........I
thought to support a qualified avian veterinarian in her presentation.


I think my history and records show my skills with Aviculture ... btw, a nice
topic in Dr. Clubbs presentation and the workbook.........regarding 'vacuum
cleaners."

My two day old Hyacinthine is 46 grams today.
Big and robust...sweet little darling angel.

Cherane

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In a message dated 2/26/99 2:52:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, OL.COM
writes:

> We had a baby lovebird this fall!  Every bit a blue to us as
>  your baby is to yo


Hello Sue,

Do I agree with you on that matter...as I just believe any little creature is
our love of the earth?  Yes, I'm celebrating my hatch...as I would or do
celebrate annoys success of a hatching of a baby.  Congratulations with your
baby blue...give him a scratch from me under his wing.

Cherane


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In a message dated 2/26/99 5:02:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
AvOM writes:

> >
>  At the risk of sounding almost as stupid as you, WTF is a hyacinth
"ine"?????
>
>  :>
>


Your not stupid Blaze...btw, that is the name of my Scarlet Macaw that was
stolen.  Read Rosemary Lows  books...  anodorhynchus hyacinthinus  ...--
hy*a*cin*thine
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In a message dated 2/26/99 9:02:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, DAOL.COM
writes:
>  >>
>  sorry, Cherane, whatever you are selling, i am not buying.  i called you
> once
>  to ask about the price of your beloved galah offspring.  you didn't ask me
> one
>  single question about who i was or why i wanted one,  thus so much for your
>  caring about your "precious babies" you just quoted me a price (btw a
higher
>  than most pet shops price too).  i also have seen your posts and fights on
> the
>  newsgroup rec.pets.birds and have no pity for you, you scare me!
>  doris
>


Doris, What ever you say about me in regard to the offspring of my rose
breast..all Rose breast are sold before the eggs are laid.  I havent' the
notion of what your talking about...you calling me for a Rosebreast Cockatoo.
I haven't had a Rosebreast Cockatoo other then the parents for sale in retail
for a long time..if ever!  not even for breeders that call me.

As far as Angel, she/he is sold and was the minute the baby hatched...I'm a
breeder in business.  As far as my pricing...that is something I can determine
and very sorry if you don't like my prices.  I usually have a good
relationship with those people who call me.

I sell my Rosebreast for $1,800 weaned with the AFA closed stainless steel
bands...you think that is to much?  I've had the parents well over eight
years...as most of my birds have been here for years with me...and with two
pairs of Rosebreast in the nest at this time...I do not have a single baby
weaned available for you or anyone else...they are all sold, before they
hatch.  If I quoted you a higher price it is because that is what I get for my
babies.  Do you want to see a picture of my Rosebreast?  Did you get a
Rosebreast?

Cherane

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In a message dated 2/26/99 9:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
reK.NET writes:

>
>  Marianne Ferris-Whitmore wrote:
>
>  >      Did you know you could get bags for shop vacs?  I got them
>  >      at Walmart when I was looking for a new filter.  Much less
>  >      stuff is blown back out.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >      Marianne
>  >


Hello Marianne,

My suggestion is to put the canister with the blower outside or do not use the
vacuum cleaner at all.  The minute the suction takes anything from the carpet
(rags for shoes that have been anywhere) into the bag...you throw out the
airborne bacteria, molds through the blower on the canister through the clean
air in your bird room.  If you went to the pet store, vets office or another
bird owners house you bring into your house with  your shoes onto your carpet
and this same bacteria ends up throughout  your bird room......this is enough
to cause some problems with birds.  If there is one sick bird, to vacuum is
one of the best ways to spread this throughout your bird room...  I do not
have my birds on carpet for this reason.

Cherane


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In a message dated 2/26/99 9:38:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
toocute@TELEVAR.COM writes:

> e me any info about this person Cherane P and the
>  health of her stock <just so all you non-believers could hear other
>  breeders opinions of her bullshit...>
>
>  WAR
>  Cheep Thrills Aviary


Hello, at the very least you have my full name don't you?  How about you?  How
about identifying yourself.

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In a message dated 2/26/99 9:40:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, L.COM
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>
>  i must be hallucinating.
>  doris


I don't know about that!  However, I hope I have cleared up this important
matter for you.

Cherane

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In a message dated 2/26/99 9:38:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
toocute@TELEVAR.COM writes:

>
>  WAR
>  Cheep Thrills Aviary


Just take a look at my sweet babies and darlings...

 <A HREF="http://www.plannedparrothood.com/seniors.html">Senior Psittacines
</A>

especially this....http://members.tripod.com/~cherane/hyacinthbaby.html

  A real treat....I have many more!!!!
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In a message dated 2/26/99 11:35:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, L.COM
writes:

> - the birds have been quiet for the
>  last hour - those with babies and the rest seem fine - just awsomely
>  quiet....


Are all the eggs, babies and breeders OK?  Does this mean you may get another
big jolt?  Do you have to prepare for a bigger one to come?

My best wishes...

Cherane


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In a message dated 2/26/99 6:57:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rM writes:

>  a few stolen bikes
>  then why aren't they doing it for birds valued well over 300.00 bucks? I
>  really have to admit this story does seem a little odd about the police
>  knowing who has the bird but not doing anything about it.  But then
>  again maybe I'm missing something.


Probably not ... first of all, the detectives have this and it is an open
case.  I will not speculate for it is my Macaw  that is involve and I want the
safe return of him.
Matter of fact, the State department have the case along with the other stolen
birds.  I hope someone can figure it out then maybe the return of my bird will
happen.

Cherane
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In a message dated 2/26/99 6:48:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, AOL.COM
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> Please enlighten us poor
>  unknowlegeable souls.
>  Carol
>


your enlighten...it is *hy a cin thine*

Cherane

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In a message dated 2/26/99 6:54:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, r@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

>
>  Another question. I read the rec.birds and is this the same person that
>  was throwing out fertile macaw eggs?  And having umpteen clutches a
>  year?  Or is that another person?


I will not be responsible for what another writes about my eggs...I have
*never* thrown away a fertile egg!

Cherane


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Date:         Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:30:47 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/99 2:16:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
L.COM writes:

>
>  BTW, I was VERY impressed with cherasse's version of quarantine, putting
the
>  hen in with the poor mutt "but in separate cages".
>
>  Hell, why didn't I think of that way of quarantining?  Just throw the new
> ones
>  right intot he midst of the others since they are in separate cages?
>
>  judith
>


Judith,  I have a friend of thirty-three years named Judith...she gets very
upset with people who call her Judy....how about you?  My name is 'Cherane."

 There is one bird I'm talking about...quarantine is ten miles from my house.
If I'm getting a Macaw for my Macaw. This is the way it will with him.  I do
not want a new bird in my house with my Scarlet.
It would do me no good to put him in quarantine and have my female die from
depression waiting two months...

Cherane

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Date:         Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:35:01 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/99 3:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, AOL.COM
writes:

> Sure beats Hurricanes - :)   Don


I have to agree with that one...although I haven't been through a
earthquake..baby weighed in at 48 today..another little joy!  How many eggs do
you have now?

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In a message dated 2/26/99 3:40:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dGNS.COM writes:

>
>  Y'know, for someone whose babies are sold before the eggs are hatched (or
>  laid, or whatever), you sure sound like someone who's trying to market
>  them, Cherane.
>

Good!  that is my business to market my babies.  However this little one is
sold!  And I think I said the baby was sold at the time of hatching!  For
instance, I have a buyer for a hyacinthine....no eggs, no babies so I sent him
to another breeder..he waited for the egg, baby hatch...then picked it up at
seven weeks of age.
 I have to admit though, I love to show off my healthy beautiful babies and
birds.

Cherane

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Date:         Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:43:04 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/99 9:32:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pbCOM writes:

>
>  Seven weeks---well theres another reason to love this women.
>  Phyllis


Phyllis,

I do sell unweaned babies to other Aviculturist!  I bought my Hyacinthine at
five weeks of age.  This aviculturist breeds large Psittacines!  I  assure you
that I *do not* sell unweaned babies to the public or one who tells me they
know how to hand feed.

Cherane

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Date:         Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:47:52 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/99 9:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, BirdKatie@AOL.COM
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> That way you could have a
>  definate diagnosis if something terrible should happen.
>  Carol


I'm sorry if your upset with the way I operate my aviary.  I have a scarlet in
trouble and I'll do the best I can by her and the male I find for her.

Cherane

Date:         Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:03:53 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/99 7:33:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, @YAHOO.COM
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> Got him about two months ago from a family that could no
>  longer handle the high demands of such a large bird. They kept the
>  poor guy in the garage all the time because he was so nois


Congratulations ... he seems to be a lucky Hyacinthine!  What is his name?

Cherane


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In a message dated 2/27/99 2:39:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
toocute@TELEVAR.COM writes:

>
>  So does the AFA approve of hybridization?
>  --
>
>  WAR
>  Cheep Thrills Aviary
>  http://members.tripod.com/~WARBYRD/index.html
>



You might read Rick Jordan's article about this subject in the second to the
last issue of Watchbird.  I think he pretty well sums up the idea.



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In a message dated 2/27/99 1:10:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
AOL.COM writes:

>
>  Amazing she still denies saying it, maybe we have another Sybil or Eve
here?
>
>  Judith
>
>

Frankly Judith,      Trying to belittling and shaming me for my throwing away
eggs is not becoming to an educated person as yourself.  Calculations and
deductions as Watson was told by Sherloc is the answer to any 'debate' or
*questions needing answers.

Now, I do not believe I did a bad or terrible thing?  In fact, I loss money
doing the practice I do...and I'll continue to do if I find my aviary is
overloaded and my parent breeders are on overload.  I will not have a baby
that I have to 'get rid ' of for a cheap price nor will I give my babies away
to anyone.
And I do not believe the price I have for my Scarlet Macaws are out of line
with other breeders nor have they been out of line.

I hope I have explain my practice clear enough to all of you...When I throw
away an egg I just think throwing away a 'future unwanted baby" in a CLEAR
just laid egg.

I think it is a very sad day when Aviculturist beat up one another for the way
an Aviculturist runs their establishment in logically thinking they are doing
a well thought of practical decision for their breeding Macaws/birds.  I after
all have had this pair (or did have) over seven years and love them dearly.
I'm after to do the very best for all my birds in my care and I do just that.

If, on the other hand, I had those babies, and sold them to just
anyone....maybe you might have a complaint...maybe but unlikely!  Each time
you or anyone makes a comment to this practice of mine.  I see and look at
thousands of dollars I've lost and I thought about this very carefully before
I did what I did.  To bad, for a very good friend of mine told me I could make
a great deal more money by just incubating and selling them cheap to brokers.
Together we sum it up...and had many buyers for the babies to do just that.
At one time this pair had five eggs...with one clutch!  I did sell two of
those babies out of the nest so the others before the remainder hatched and
survive. I sold those two babies that hatched to an another aviculturist and
still am selling to this aviculturist.  So, the next clutch they laid four
eggs all fertile...I'll assure you they all four hatched and are in wonderful
homes for my sell price.

 I have several Scarlet Macaws babies ... thank God, I can throw away CLEAR
EGGS! ...Lets see....ten eggs at let's make it real low..as I was offered by
the some who was trying to get my eggs from me along with my birds....back to
the figures...ten eggs at 250.  Each...that comes out to $2,500 that I don't'
have in my pocket and that was for just eggs.


  After all....IF I had hatched and IF I had sold them at one week of age ...
if I had the parents sit and hatch *IF, they had been fertile * I could have
sold them for the amount (lets make them real cheap) at 500 each...again at
ten eggs that would have been $5,000 dollars I don't' have in my pocket.

Now, I *do not* believe I did a bad or terrible thing.  In fact, I lose money
doing the practice I do...and I'll continue to do if I find my aviary is in
any need of it... I will not have a baby that I have to 'get rid ' of for a
cheap price nor will I give my babies away.
or sell my eggs.

I hope I have explain my practice clear enough to all of you...just think of
me throwing away 'weight of money" in a CLEAR just laid egg.

I had a broker who came after me on recpetsbirds for I wouldn't sell my eggs
to him?  Of course, you'll find others who are tiff with my practice...at any
rate, you'll not have to worry about that any longer for my male is gone.
My only concern now is if another aviculturist decides to do this practice
with the tiff I have received...I can understand the *brokering* of babies
very clear now.


 I am in my forth day of feeding a hyacinthine....why not focus on this
subject.
Btw, I have beautiful pictures of this pair Blaze and Scarlet feeding their
babies in the nest as I'm feeding Scarlet through the nest door..you can zero
in close to see the babies if any one would like to see this picture just
email me....

. Along with the fact I'm feeding an adorable six month old Hyacinthine.

Cherane
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In a message dated 2/27/99 2:39:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
toocute@TELEVAR.COM writes:

>
>  So does the AFA approve of hybridization?
>  --
>
>  WAR
>  Cheep Thrills Aviary
>  http://members.tripod.com/~WARBYRD/index.html
>



You might read Rick Jordan's article about this subject in the second to the
last issue of Watchbird.  I think he pretty well sums up the idea.



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In a message dated 2/27/99 2:39:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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>
>  So does the AFA approve of hybridization?
>  --
>
>  WAR
>  Cheep Thrills Aviary
>  http://members.tripod.com/~WARBYRD/index.html
>



You might read Rick Jordan's article about this subject in the second to the
last issue of Watchbird.  I think he pretty well sums up the idea.



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Date:         Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:01:25 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/99 4:31:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leNK.NET writes:

>
>   The further sad fact is, the only reason ANY vet will have anything to do
>  with you is because you have so many SICK BIRDS they make a MINT off you
>  and your merry-go-round "aviary". You are a NUT, a LOON, a PSYCHO and the
>  only reason you are even on line is to give yourself a forum to BRAG. I've
>  got news for you, anyone can buy a pair of birds and watch them mate. I'm
>  just aghast that you're able to do it at STATE EXPENSE <part of her
>  "rehabilitation" don't you know>. Law suits, threats and the like are
>  Cherane's stock in trade. That and sick birds. She EXCELS at that.
>
>  Please, no one encourage her and MAYBE we'll be lucky and she'll just go
> away.
>

Changed the subject line for those who want to *delete*
Make up your mind Len....am I rich or poor?  The state of Florida is not about
to buy nor have they bought any bird, food, mortgage payment of the like for
me...matter of a fact, I didn't or haven't taken any social security,
assistance or the like from any agency due to the success of my breeding
birds.  What ever has been done has been done on my own......

As far as ten years...again...your beefing up your own head.  You haven't been
around me ten years!  Matter of a fact, I think you'd better do some of your
own checking on GENIE and you'll find they took  my money for at least three
years past from the SAME ACCOUNT ... oh, yes!  My name Cherane Trajere, was my
business  name...my BIRTH NAME on my BIRTH CERTIFICATE was and is Cherane
Pefley.

Again, you don't have a pot to piss in for anyone to go after you!  However,
this time I'll *not*  just sit and take your out and out LIES...or your crap!
I'm not rehabilitating now...nor vulnerable...are you capable of dealing with
me?
With this in mind...I'll make an attempt to put you and I back to where we
need to be for the sake of this list...and our Macaws, after all each time you
speak out against me you are killing my Macaws.....my babies, not me!  You and
I are in the same community like it or not.

I'm sure you can be cruel and attacking...I know your way, you use your email
with interactions to use others to hassle those that come into direct conflict
with your plans of power, control.
Tell me what have you been doing through the last past years since 94?  What
have you been doing with  your life regarding contributing to our Aviculture
community?  I'm all ears!

Btw, My pictures are going to be used in Rick Jordan's new book..and I'm not
even a professional picture taker...:)
 ... are you going to get into the late nineties and continue to share you
knowledge in a likable fashion as the old Len I once knew?  It is obvious that
your have found a spot here and some adore you...(as I once) and I do have
MACAWS and this is a list for all...I will continue to participate (after all
I would nt want to live with your telling everyone that I got kicked off by
you) and I'm sure some will find my notes worthy to read.

talk about Macaws and life can be so much easier for you and I and this list.
I have plenty to talk about with my Macaws...for the record Len, I have known
you only since 92.
You bet I have every little email from you to the tune of you what beer you
drink and what cogs you smoke.  To your sweet adorable self back in the old
days!  Where and how  you got your Greenwing babies..your and my little secret
you told me to keep quiet about...and I have kept quiet just for
practice....your picture with your cute little note...and a whole bunch more
when you were liking me those days........you shared a lot with me ... with so
much more.

Listen Len, enjoy your list.....be the wonderful educated knowledge person I
know you to be many moons ago ...I don't have the time in this world to help
others that I know you can do if you change your tune a little with them.
I've not understood how you have gotten to be so cruel and mean, (of course
practice makes perfect), when your old notes are from a  heartfelt warm
likable chap giving information to others.

I'm interested in knowing other owners that the Macaw's own as well,  finding
good homes for some of my babies.  I'm still interested in what you have done
with your breeding, bird owning days since I've last heard from you with
regard to contributing to our Aviculture community.  I don't care to live in
the past ten years...as I have so much going on in my life today...for
instance.

I just got back from spending six weeks in South Africa!  Giving and learning
with exchanging information with regard to the African Psittacines.  I just
hatched a Hyacinthine Macaw....I have a six month old Hyacinthine Macaw...you
remember Velvet the baby I and Don picked up in 94..at five weeks of age?  I'm
onto my second baby she has given me.  A veterinarian that I have known for
over five years put the male with me for Velvet.  I ended up buying the male.
Yes, A veterinarian!
She and I are very good friends...

I hope you enjoy my success with the Macaws as you were one of the first to
share my joy with my Juda Ben Hur....my military ... remember?  I still own
them Ben and his mate Ester!

By the way, I have pictures of my Military's if anyone would like to see them.

Cherane

Ps
I'm sure you can be cruel and attacking...I know your way, you use your email
with interactions to use others to hassle those that come into direct conflict
with your plans of power, control.
However, get over it....and get with today with making new memories..you'll
just kill your self with hate and contempt....I'm not going away.


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 Vero Beach, FL
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Certified by the Model Aviary Program (MAP)
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It would or could be wonderful if I might say that most bird owners I approve
of having birds...not the case.  Show me a person without compassion, caring,
understanding of the short comings of another, tolerance, patience,
encouragement, nurturing support and I'll show you the caretaker of a bird
that cries out this song in pain.  Oh, God!  Let me never become what I read
on this list.  Understand what you practice you'll become, as I've seen the
change after many years of separation.  One cannot separate the meanness and
cruelty of a bird or a human.  Practice makes perfect no matter who or what
you practice.  The practice becomes part of you and your makeup and you'll
live with it till you change.  I have copied this to tell you people aren't
born this way, they *become* this way, mean and cruel.
I have already been faced with your cruelty and I shudder to think you'll
escape without a mark for you won't.  You'll end up demonstrating this on your
birds one way or another.

I have seen you demonstrate this meanness and cruelty to others on this list
and not just to myself.  I hope you remember we all have a common bond and
hopefully, that is the owning of a Macaw or many Macaws.  Now, hopefully, we
can share and stop the meanness and the cruelty...for it will stay with you
forever.

Below is EDITED from orginal message TO GIVE JUDITH ARCHER CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE as Author of
 The Rescue's Song  
... The Rescue's Song The Bird Forum Judith Archer JArcher107@aol.com Judith has
rescued many birds. The following poem tells the tale of a few of these. ...
www.vin.com/PetCare/Articles/Birds/PCF02564.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
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In a message dated 2/27/99 9:14:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, DRTCHNJ@AOL.COM
writes:

>
>  Re: Galah Question
>  Author: Cherane <cherane@aol.com>Date: 1998/06/06Forum: rec.pets.birds
>    sponsored by:
>    more headers author posting history
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  >most impossible to find one for <$1500, and pretty tough to find one
>  >for <$2000!!!!
>  Correct..my Rosebreast is listed at $2,500...
>  Cherane Pefley
>
>  <<There is a Rosebreasted at PetSmart down the road....they want $1999 for
>  her.... it will be a cold day before another 'too comes thru this front
door.
>
>  Di>>
>
>  thank you heather, i got cherane's quote from deja news.  i know i called
> her,
>  but maybe mixed up reading her post with calling about that bird?? in any
> case
>  in nov. of 97 she did have a rosebreasted for sale.  my memory is terrible
> and
>  i shouldn't state things that i am not absolutely positive about.

Do you mean I have to go hunt dejanews to show you that was my petbreeder
Palie!

Cherane

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In a message dated 2/27/99 10:13:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
PathPhDMD@AOL.COM writes:

> i Cherane,
>          Just wondering-do you use leg chains on your hyacinths? I thought I
> saw some
>  in the picture? Aren't they dangerous?
>  AE


Never...yes they are dangerous....that is the swing hanging under the perch
with the bolts screwed in under the bottom of the bottle brush.

Cherane

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In a message dated 2/27/99 10:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
MJCorrell@AOL.COM writes:

>
>  Does this make any sense?  For you experienced ones out there:  should a
>  chilled bird be warmed this way?
>
>  Thanks,
>  Rummy (aka Running-Horse)
>  Animal Rescue Team     animalSOS@aol.com
>  personal Email: horsecorel@aol.com
>
>


I would never place a bird in a wet anything to warm it up.  A
brooder/incubator is the best way and slowly warming up at that.  I'm so sorry
to hear of your loss it is so hard to deal with a dying anything as I just
went through this with a Cat that I fell in love with in South Africa...can
you believe this...a cat!  It was my time for this experience.

For a large bird as a Macaw...one can make a hospital out of their cage by
placing a 60 watt light bulb close to one end and cover the cage with a cotton
clean sheet and bring up the temp of the cage close to 88.  One might warm up
the perch but be very careful to make sure the perch is not *hot* for the feet
or your inner elbow!

Make sure you use a temp gauge and do not place the bulb close to anything
that can cause burning.  Lyons have a couple of units for heating up in these
emergencies...a good idea of always having one around.  I have four of them.
They are ceramic with 25 watt red bulbs.

Cherane


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In a message dated 2/27/99 8:14:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, nbailey@CSI.COM
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> Do you avoid PVC and CPVC because the
>  birds might (or do) shred the pipe?


Hi Nancy..

Yes, I avoid the PVC because of micro splinters and bacteria that thrives on
this material...

Cherane


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In a message dated 2/27/99 1:04:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, MJCorrell@AOL.COM
writes:

>  a message dated 02/26/1999 9:54:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>  rottnlvr@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
>  << It's very sad when someone who clams to love
>   birds throws away eggs, and reading your post would rather do that very
>   thing then reduce your price and find them good homes.  >>
>
>  I'm a bit confused here (also have a huge case of sleep deprivation...)
>  Doesn't this refer to throwing away of infertile eggs?  (By the way I have
> not
>  read any of the other earlier posts on this thread due to being distracted;
>  sorry.)
>
>  Rummy (aka Running-Horse)
>
>


Ay, infertile eggs...I guess they wanted me to sell unwanted babies for a
couple of hundred dollars ..you know cheap so people could have them ...like
brokers, freebies...and the like .. just think I lost around hmm at 500 a
piece..$5,000 and their having a fit with my decision.  and I'm the one
without the five grand! oh, yes another emailed me to say please take 650 for
a scarlet macaw...

So, that would bring it up to $6,500 I'm out of pocket change by throwing away
these eggs.  Cannot win either direction I head for with some of these angels.

By, this keeps up we'll have authorities in telling us what we can do n what
we can''t do with our breeding facilities.
Thanks for the benefit of a doubt...
Cherane


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In a message dated 2/27/99 12:54:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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>  Money doesn't
>  matter when finding wonderful homes for birds or any other pet. Some
>  people that can afford whatever they want sometimes make a worse home
>  then a family on a budget.


If you did some arthemetic..you'd see I lost money by throwing away the eggs!
If I had sold my birds to a broker...store that would be OK with you?

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In a message dated 2/26/99 10:04:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, katmom@TRIP.NET
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> If you feel persecuted it is probably
>  because of your inability to keep from contradicting yourself or to express
>  yourself coherently.  IMHO
>
>  Kathy


You think this is a good enough reason to persecute me!  You might be trying
to make me *feel* this way however, I can assure you I was pure with my
request.  I thought your answer might make  you think a little about yourself.
Now, reread your answer.  Are you proud of your self?  Do you feel like a
better friend to another?

Cherane

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In a message dated 2/26/99 10:04:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, katmom@TRIP.NET
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> If you feel persecuted it is probably
>  because of your inability to keep from contradicting yourself or to express
>  yourself coherently.  IMHO
>
>  Kathy


You think this is a good enough reason to persecute me!  You might be trying
to make me *feel* this way however, I can assure you I was pure with my
request.  I thought your answer might make  you think a little about yourself.
Now, reread your answer.  Are you proud of your self?  Do you feel like a
better friend to another?

Cherane

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 Vero Beach, FL
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Date:         Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:53:11 EST
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In a message dated 2/27/99 11:56:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
toocute@TELEVAR.COM writes:

>
>  Oh fuckin please!!!!
>  Would you two like some cheese with your whine????
>  Fuck, like Cherane is the only one here that has had a hard go of it!
>  How 'bout the folks that are terminaly ill,or have had a handicap from
>  birth but never mention it because that don't want or need sympathy to
>  sell their birds...
>  Hey maybe we should give Dan Spencer a macaw invite....
>
>

Hey, I have a lot more to tell...you want hear?  I have a forty-two year old
son who is retarded...is that enough cheese...?  Or how about my brother in
law is about to die in another month? Is that sad enough for you?  or....lets
see...what else is there?


OH....PLEEEEEEEZZZZEEEE...I don't have the liberty of YOUR name...but I'll
tell you I have NO problems with my life...and I certainly am NOT handicap at
all. I did not bring this 'matter' up.

I've got the hints with name calling, insulting me with brain cell
damage....and a few other things said on this list pertaining to my writing
and spelling.

I've got your phone number...I'll find out who you are!  then I'll have a name
to go with your attacks...

Now, go wash your ugly mouth out with soap onehundred times for your meanness
in you.

Cherane


I've lived a life...and I also know full well of death.....None of us escape
being vulnerable of life and what it brings to us.  However, lady or man who
every you are.....much can be said behind a 'secret' name...huh?

Come on out and show yourself...
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In a message dated 2/27/99 11:58:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, Byrdy1@AOL.COM
writes:

> ould not condone nor refuse the subject. stasis !
>  As for the word you used "Allow" - that's a gov.com implementaion problem
> that
>  will probably happen if we can't stop the dissention between ourselves -
the
>  AR folks just love to divide and control !!
>
>  - avicultural morality cannot be legislated, it must be practiced.
>


Boy, is this not the truth!!!  Little do people realize what they really are
doing..

Great information

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In a message dated 2/27/99 12:41:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
marianne@K2NESOFT.COM writes:

>
>
>  Rummy,
>  Your confusion is not due to your distraction or lack of sleep.  Cherane is
>  denying throwing away fertile eggs, and at the same time saying she was
>  offered $500. and $650. for them.  I'm not in the business, but I'll go way
>  out on a limb and guess that no one is going to pay that kind of money for
>  an infertile egg.
>
>  And in the quote I originally posted, sh


Dont you have better things to do then to change around my words to accomodate
your attacks.

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In a message dated 2/27/99 12:28:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lenz@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

>
>  Does the dog wear a flea collar? Been groomed recently? Flea dipped?
>
>  EL
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




You've brought up an interesting observation...When I treated the infested
Baby Grays with a treatment for dogs and cats...Front Line it is called ...
one of the warnings was to make sure you washed thoroughly after using it.  It
could cause major problems with humans having respiratory and rash if left on
the skin.

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In a message dated 2/27/99 12:44:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
stanval@AZSTARNET.COM writes:

>  for 4 years..  We do
>  also have a dog which was here when Benj arrived.  I guess it's possible
but
>  not probable that he's allergic to the dog.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Stan.


Stan, has the dog been treated with any "drop on the back" meds for fleas?

Cherane
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In a message dated 2/27/99 2:15:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
icarusfl@MEDIAONE.NET writes:

>   Put them in captivity
>  and manipulate the conditions so they dramatically over produce and you are
>  asking for trouble.  Hormone levels kept high for long periods of time are
>  stressing the bird's whole system.  The constant effort of producing eggs
>  can deplete the nutritional stores of the hen, leading to reproductive
>  problems such as egg binding, osteoporosis and malnutrition.  It is not a
>  wise way to manage stock for their long term health.
>
>  Kath & Ic
>  Do No Harm


Good point other then the manipulating the environment.  I'm in Florida and on
the ocean.  I have moved them, remove their nest box, no lights you name
it...the conditions are just perfect here to make these birds happy birds.
And in the ten years I have been here, I have never had any kind of stress as
you have named above.  I bought special formula from Howard to give my
Scarlets for excessive egg laying and pulled them.  The stress is very hard on
them when they are feeding and taking care of babies.  It amazes me how one
assumes the worst in me about my own birds and just how wonderful all of you
are with my birds....my birds!

I feel like I joined some government agency here not a Macaw list!

Cherane
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In a message dated 2/27/99 2:29:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, normav@ONR.COM
writes:

> CAWS@PARROT.NEWWAVE.NET (The Macaws List)
>  To:  MACAWS@PARROT.NEWWAVE.NET
>
>  OK.  I read this to mean that you used a dog/cat flea treatment, Front
>  Line, on flea infested Baby Grays?  Is this correct?
>  Norma


The one and two day old baby grays had maggots in the ears and nares from a
fly that thrives off nest babies.  The veterinarian had me treat the babies
with this 'front line for the maggots.  This stuff kill the cat!  Made the
lady of the house come down with respiratory problems and a rash just from
holding her treated dog.

Thus the reason I asked if by chance he treated his dog with anything similar?

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>
>  At 12:42 PM 2/27/99 , you wrote:
>  <snip>
>  >You've brought up an interesting observation...When I treated the infested
>  >Baby Grays with a treatment for dogs and cats...Front Line it is called
...
>  >one of the warnings was to make sure you washed thoroughly after using it.
> It
>  >could cause major problems with humans having respiratory and rash if left
> on
>  >the skin.
>  >
>  >Cherane
>
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In a message dated 2/27/99 2:33:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
AviphileRB@AOL.COM writes:

>  >>
>  What do you suppose we were to make of her original remark (see below)?  I
>  believe this is what started this whole thread.:>
>
>  "I'm now looking for a Camelot Male for her till I get Blaze back.
>  They were together for 12 years...and have been with me since 92
>  Thanks for asking about Scarlet...
>  Cherane"
>
>
>  -----------
Norma, if you reread my post ...I made it very clear that I was putting him
next to my Scarlet in separate cages....many came back with my quarantine
practices ... if it isn't one thing it is another...I also said that when I
got Blaze back....the Camelot would be my pet!

This is a real hassle to share my grief of loss my scarlet, my celebration of
my hyacinthine hatching.  I make a post of that and have coming back at me for
my way of spelling hyacinthine.

You guys are something else!  However, someone else jumped on the bandwagon
about my breeding hybrids...and I followed through now that I really don't
give much for what I do....it is my business and none of you do I owe a thing.
you certainly haven't given any credit or happiness for my baby I'm feeding
here around the clock...or any of the other birds I breed.

What is this...a rape gang?  All of you just join in for the next punch and
call that great enough to make popcorn?  Do you really think your going to get
through this world unhurt?  So far that is what I'm seeing a pack of a gang
trying to out do each other with your meanness.
.. And to think you all own Macaws!

Cherane


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In a message dated 2/27/99 3:02:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, Byrdy1@AOL.COM
writes:

> I'd prefer the same specie tho.
>  Don
>
Me too...you know I would...I'd love one...Howard called me last nite..he is
going to try hard to find me one for her...God, it is nice to have friends!

I'm lifted by his call...and your kind replies and Lawrence devoted attention
to fight for me.

I'll take this time to thank all of you who have emailed me with support,
thoughtfulness and your kind words.
It s just sad, that more celebration could not have happen here with the
hatching of my hyacinthine baby.

Cherane

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In a message dated 2/27/99 3:46:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mhall@RIVERSIDE.ORG writes:

>
>  >
>  >As I've looked for a male just like my pair for over five years for
another
>  >female Scarlet and haven't found one with clean bill of health.  While
>  >everyone tells me how plentiful they are, I sure haven't' found one...
> however,
>  >if you can please bring him on out and I'll snatch him in a heart beat.
>  >
>  >I want a bird for my female now......so I have chosen a Camelot for her
...
> if
>  >I have babies...I'll not worry for none of my babies have been sitting in
>  >trees thus far and I doubt if ever I'll send them to the rainforest....a
> pet
>  >is a pet is a pet!
>
>  --


Yes, I wrote that ... after I wrote about the Macaw being in another cage and
a fit was given about the quarantine.

However, my breeding practices are my own business...I have the respect of
those people who I need to like and love me.  No one here do I need to please.
You don seem to understand that I had no intention of putting the Camelot with
my female..however after my freedom of doing thus has been attacked...I really
do not care what you like or not like...I'll do what I need to do for my
aviary and my Scarlet.
No one seem to happy when I said they would go to ten miles from here and be
in separate cages so now.....so what?  Do you think I'm here to please you?

Most of you have followed through with being mean and cruel with your remarks
of my babies, birds and not to mention me.

So, Lawrence have no fear...I will put the Camelot after quarantine with my
Scarlet female.....and guess what...I will do this just as an out of my mouth
to show I have that freedom to do just that!  I respect you and Don, and many
others...however some of the most world known aviculturist breed hybrids...and
they are just now telling me...they thought I was one of these purist of
heart...God, forbid!

So, just don't argue with these people they now can say I'm a hybrid breeder.
I know for a fact, some others on this list breed hybrids...or use to breed
hybrids.  I hate to think they quit just for this group.
Sorry If I'm disappointing you Lawrence and Don...its that old Freedom thing
that has me...
Cherane

checked with my MAP too  I'm in compliance with both AFA and MAP...
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In a message dated 2/27/99 4:35:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dianEOM writes:

> diane@WO (


I wont even quote your nonsense.  I do not really care what you think and I'm
not interested in pleasing you with any answers.  Matter of a fact, Lady...I
don't owe you any explanation about my eggs, birds or breeders.

What do you people do take courses on attacks?  What have you been told that
you have formed such a hostile opinion of me?

It's very obvious to me your just needlessly attacking anything you think you
can squeeze.  Do you understand I'm going on sixty...and I don't owe you a
thing, your not buying any of my birds...your not the government, or any
permit holder!  Your the kind of person I fight to make sure I retain my right
to do with my birds as I wish....the fact I'm MAP certified should answer any
questions you have...including take away any of your hostile attitude.

of course, just my humble opinion
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In a message dated 2/27/99 4:35:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
diane@WONDERWEBDESIGNS.COM writes:

>
>
>  someone with a brain injury,


So who said anything about 'brain injury'?  better watch it kid....walk
softley...things have changed about freedom of speech with in the last couple
of years!




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In a message dated 2/27/99 1:39:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, normav@ONR.COM
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> If I had sold my birds to a broker...store that would be OK with you?
>
>  Cherane, what I find not OK is that you don't seem to tell the truth!
>  Yesterday you vehemently denied ever throwing eggs away then someone copied
>  a 9/98 post you wrote of throwing eggs away and now you admit that you
>  *did* throw eggs away and attempt to justify it????
>  Norma
>

...and Norma, what I find not OK is you accuse and twist words.  I most
certainly did not say I didn't t throw away eggs....I said "I do not throw
away *fertile eggs*."

And again, my loss I didn't collect money for what ever would have could have
hatched.  If I was out for money, I would have done just that!  I'll tell you
this is just out and out attacks and I do not like it one bit.
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In a message dated 2/27/99 5:19:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
diane@WONDERWEBDESIGNS.COM writes:

>  flea dipped.  When


What do you use for fleas?

Cherane



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In a message dated 2/27/99 5:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
AviphileRB@AOL.COM writes:

> have won any friends on this list, Ima afraid you
>  will be sorely disappointed. I doubt seriously you will ever be taken
>  seriously here after all the bologne you've posted.  Do us all a
favor.....:>
>
>


I have received many post from 'friends ' on this list.  They apologize for
your conduct.  I will continue to defend myself  with regard to my birds,
babe, eggs.  You should be happy that I fight for my right as a breeder  as in
my doing so...all AR people who just wait for opportunities as this jump right
on in here to add fuel to the fire.  It is not Cherane doing this to you...you
are doing it to all breeders when you attack my rights regarding my babies and
my birds.

The fact MAP is a qualified international voluntary program shows my
dedication to the Avicultural Community.  You have taken an opportunity to
needlessly injure my person and my aviary and when good Aviculturist as I, are
no longer, you hurt your own selves with regard to owning a bird.

Cherane


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Oh my love your sweetie..

Cherane

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In a message dated 2/27/99 10:45:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, gr8brd@YAHOO.COM
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>  I didn't think so. Anyone
>  want to see more pictures? SURE!
>
>  CG
>

I'd love to see more pictures of your jewel, Levi
How old is he?  I, for one hope you set him up with another Hyacinthine Macaw.
Looking forward to seeing more pictures.
 Do you have golden conures too?

Cherane

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